Ubuntu - 64 Studio Conversion?

  • zak89
Posted: Wed, 05/06/2009 - 01:42
I am trying to install 64Studio on a spare partition on my MSI Wind U100. I know this machine won't be a multimedia powerhouse, but with 1.6Ghz and 2GBs RAM I think it could handle a couple channels through my U-Control interface. However, the 64Studio 3.0beta3 DVD won't boot; it fails with "Boot failure", but no other error messages. So I am wondering, is it possible to convert an Ubuntu 8.04 install to 64Studio 3.0 (by adding the correct repos)? Also, I understand that 64Studio disables many startup services to save memory. On a low-powered device like mine, this is a big deal, so is there a way to find out what they were able to disable? I would like to keep this a lean as possible (probably using XFCE or e17 instead of GNOME). I am really enjoying 64Studio on my Dell Latitiude, and I would love to play with it on this "extra-portable" machine! Thanks!

I love this

  • capoeira
  • 05/01/09
  • Mon, 05/25/2009 - 03:37
installed my ubuntu-minimal than xorg, kdm and fluxbox now with fluxbox loaded i have memory-usage of 32MB!!!! now the rest is like the steps from "switching from ubuntu to 64studio" love this

where did you get that

  • capoeira
  • 05/01/09
  • Sun, 05/24/2009 - 23:56
where did you get that ubuntu-minimal from. i downloaded it from here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD i downloaded the 32-bit power-pc 8.04 2 times, destroyed 3 cds, the hd-install with the iso doesn't work too (installer says that iso is not valid) there aren't even md5-sums on that page EDIT: ok,ok it's sunday...ahahhaha.....power-PC was wrong choice ;-)

@capoeira: It seems pretty

  • seanbutnotheard
  • 07/04/08
  • Sun, 05/24/2009 - 18:34
@capoeira: It seems pretty stable to me. The most annoying part is when I occasionally run into tasks which I can't accomplish because I didn't install *quite* enough software (that is, it's *too* minimal) and I don't have an internet connection at the studio. As a result I mirrored both the Hardy and 64 Studio backport repositories on a network storage drive that I occasionally synchronize at work. :) I am planning on doing the same minimal setup on another machine in the next week or so; I'll be sure to document the process and write it up somewhere.

@ seanbutnotheard more

  • capoeira
  • 05/01/09
  • Fri, 05/22/2009 - 23:59
@ seanbutnotheard more interesting would be a small how-to as diferent persons wnat diferent apps and window-manager. i for example want a minimal-64studio with fluxbox and kde3(kde3-minimal; only basic packages)

Quentin, Thanks a lot for

  • ttoine
  • 11/15/07
  • Fri, 05/22/2009 - 22:46
Quentin, Thanks a lot for your answer about what pointed Mick. As you suggested, I will find some time to spend on PDK and see if I can build an installation cd that works. But it can not be this week-end, nor next, too much things to do. I let you know when I go ahead on this. Toine

never heard of hardy

  • capoeira
  • 05/01/09
  • Fri, 05/22/2009 - 21:58
never heard of hardy minimal. i think i have to try this. 2/3 od the apps of 64studio i don't need (mostly those pic/movie apps; why i an audio-distro?), and i don't use gnome. that way is it stable as original 64-studio installation???

I have a super-minimal

  • seanbutnotheard
  • 07/04/08
  • Fri, 05/22/2009 - 16:03
I have a super-minimal version of 64 Studio that I built by installing the Hardy minimal CD, then adding the 64 Studio 3.0 repos and carefully adding just the apps I need. I built a slick little Openbox desktop interface for it all as well. The whole system only hits about 60 megs of memory usage when first fired up. I'd love to share it with the world but I don't know how to turn the customizations into a distributable form (like a .deb or whatever would be most appropriate). :( A quick addition to the compositing talk... there's also xcompmgr which I believe is even more lightweight than metacity's compositing, and works great with Openbox.

64 Studio Future

  • Quentin Harley
  • 05/24/07
  • Fri, 05/22/2009 - 05:52
Yes, we will not be merging with the Ubustu guys. To me the compatibility with ubuntu brings an extra bunus. Because ubuntu is the most downloaded linux distro, most people package their stuff for it - a welcome shift from the time when you could only get the rpm packages. This makes it much easier to test applications before inclusion into the 64 Studio free distro. The way PDK works, and the way Daniel and Free's minds work dictates the form and function of 64 studio, and even though we might use the core hardy packages, system configuration is very much 64 studio - almost a debian-like departure from ubuntu ;-) Thanks Mick for touching this subject, as I suppose it is on quite a few 64 Studio users' minds, including my own for a short while after the move to ubuntu source was announced. No offence taken at all! Toine, We are running short of people that can efficiently help maintain the free distro. Up to date it was done mainly by free, with fault-finding and testing by a couple of core testers, and of course the community. If you feel you want to give it a bash, run though the PDK tutorial on the PDK link, and if you struggle, feel free to ask. Dave (skullnotions) have figured out how to use PDK in a very short time. Next month when I have more bandwidth I will start playing with that as well. The biggest "complaint" against the multimedia distros is that the community activities are not as developed as it could be. Lets work towards that goal, without losing sight of the core values instilled in the distro by its fathers. 3.0 has potential to be rock stable and awesome performance and support wise. Cheers, Quentin

Mick, I did understand that

  • ttoine
  • 11/15/07
  • Thu, 05/21/2009 - 17:10
Mick, I did understand that it was not an offense at all, and that's why I tried to explain the way Ubuntu Studio is going. I would enjoy to have the point of view of the 64 Studio team (even a non official point of view) Toine

@Tapani: "error 1" at the

  • ttoine
  • 11/15/07
  • Thu, 05/21/2009 - 12:40
@Tapani: "error 1" at the end of installation with synaptic. @Mick.ca: I can't speak for the 64 Studio team, nor the current UbuntuStudio team. But as one of the beginner of the UbuntuStudio project, ex-UbuntuStudio developper, and follower of multimedia with Linux for years, I just would like to highlight something. It is only my humble opinion. Me and some other Ubuntu Studio beginners leave the project because the way it tooks was not so good: the guys that had the more time to manage the project are more concentrated about the theming, colors, etc... than to package well a few application, etc... Most of the project is community based, students, hobbyists or enthusiasts do the big part of the job. So it can not be a professional distribution, and instead of making for example a live installation cd in order to make it easy to Linux beginner to discover in a easy way the multimedia application, they still continue to only do an alternate installation disk, considering that people who use UbuntuStudio is well experimented people. One fact for them, there is not enough people to maintain too much installation media, so they have to chose. But for me, it is not the good choice: 64 Studio is by far the distribution used by experimented Linux users. They should focus on easy install, etc... For 64 Studio, the choice to come to Ubuntu is logical, imho. At the time of Agnula, it was based on Red Hat, then Debian, etc... the best choice at each time. Today, the good popular and solid distribution is Ubuntu. If people think that it is not stable, just have a look at the server market share they have taken in a few years. It is a rock solid basis. So, considering both distributions, the aims are not the same, nor the kind of users, nor the developpers. Ubuntu Studio will never propose professional support. 64 Studio can. For me, the best of the best would be a 64 Studio distribution, independant. And let the possibility to some one (why not me if someone explain me the use of PDK) to create a easy to install Ubuntu based distribution, for installation and day to day use, plus the best of 64 Studio for multimedia. I hope that Ubuntu Developers could read that and do it, and forget their alternative installation disk. Again, it is my humble opinion. Perhaps Quentin would prefer that we move this part of the discussion in a new post on the forum. Toine

agreed

  • mick.ca
  • 05/23/07
  • Thu, 05/21/2009 - 14:32
again thanks for not bashing. I have used 64 studio for a few years now. My wife has used ubuntu a bit longer. I started with fedora then switched. I have tried Musix, ubustu and even ubuntu. I settled on 64studio and have not look elsewhere. I have always pointed people interested in music production to 64 studio by far. the introduction of ubuntu into the mix was certainly welcomed. you having said that the focus of the ubustu team was on different goals than performance cleared a alot of things up. I have always enjoyed 64 studio for it's slim line approach to apps. But enjoy the new and updated "turnaround" of ubuntu's current releases. so perhaps Quentin should move this over as i have move this topic way off track. (sorry about that) but will 64 studio 3.0 maintain the same update cycle as ubuntu releases? the day to day use of ubuntu is remarkable. but by far the ability of 64 studio is more amazing. that's is the only reason way the idea of merging came to mind. again no offense intended just trying to figure out and see the future of the distro i'm using MiCK

Mint install

  • t_sysimetsa
  • 06/13/08
  • Thu, 05/21/2009 - 08:00
ttoine: “The only bad thing is that the installer has delete the Ubuntu Jaunty file on my /boot partition, so I will have to re-install my non music desktop.” → Jaunty does not appear in Grub? That's strange. How about navigating to your Jaunty partition and copy-pasting Jaunty-related grub settings from there to Mint-64Studio's /boot/grub/menu.lst? “I only have an error 1 when installing 64studio package” → Do you remember which error?

Hey, So I just finished to

  • ttoine
  • 11/15/07
  • Wed, 05/20/2009 - 22:20
Hey, So I just finished to install 64 Studio from a Linux Mint 5 install. The only bad thing is that the installer has delete the Ubuntu Jaunty file on my /boot partition, so I will have to re-install my non music desktop. Here is a screenshot of a quick audio session with metacity compositing enabled : http://ttoine.net/bazard/Screenshot.png What to say: - The howto is good, and simple to follow. I only have an error 1 when installing 64studio package. - Too bad, with a Hardy base, I can not use the docky theme of GnomeDo. That's the only small thing I will miss. - What impressed me the most is that for the first time ever on Linux, my RME hdsp multiface II sound card is detected and loaded automatically, and the hdspconf remember my preferences. Simply great. - the multimedia rt kernel is fast to load, light in cpu use, and simply rocks my audio workstation, that's the most important, no? So, a big thanks to the 64 Studio team, who provide us a good work, even in beta. Question for the team: do you think it is possible to install the kernel and some stuff on a Jaunty based Ubuntu Install?

ubuntu studio 64?

  • mick.ca
  • 05/23/07
  • Wed, 05/20/2009 - 22:00
excuse me in advance if this might offend or anger some people.... there is a ubuntu studio...there is 64 studio....now 64 studio is now pretty much basing itself on ubuntu with repos and such. SO why not contact the ubuntu studio team, merge the two distros and 64 studio would have a heck of a backing, support etc. because ubuntu studio has a LONG way to go before it can even compete with 64 studio. but ubuntu has taken debian to a different height that has converted an awful lot of people to linux. why not merge the two? with this talk of mint linux, ubuntu etc conversion. JUST merge the two distros and get it over with...the updates would be on target with ubuntu releases. who cares if the kernel is behind. keep the same kernel so the system doesn't choke, flag packages that could cause problems and gain a whole new flock of people. It would be THE TRUE multimedia distro on the web...period! Just my thought. I enjoy the updates to the system but also enjoy the stability of 64 studio. Distrowatch today list ubuntu studio at 25, 64 studio at 60...that should be the other way around!

Thanks

  • t_sysimetsa
  • 06/13/08
  • Wed, 05/20/2009 - 20:36
Thanks for the good tips Toine. I added enabling Metacity compositing in the HowTo. I also added link to your Ubuntu Studio Preparation page. It would be excellent, if you can make/edit a documentation page for converting Ubuntu 8.04 to 64 Studio! Here is an updated version of the LinuxMint-to-64Studio-HowTo. Greetings, Tapani

Another comment, you may be

  • ttoine
  • 11/15/07
  • Wed, 05/20/2009 - 19:26
Another comment, you may be interested to add this link on your howto : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation I did this page, it is a synthesis of all you need to know about hardware tweaking in a Ubuntu environment. I think I will edit it for 64 Studio, I'll let you know.

t_sysimetsa, Did you think

  • ttoine
  • 11/15/07
  • Wed, 05/20/2009 - 19:20
t_sysimetsa, Did you think about activating Metacity compositing, instead of compiz ? It don't allow so much effects, but it is light, simple and don't need any 3D acceleration to operate well (so no problem with blender session, nor nvidia nor ati driver, etc...) It may be a good idea with the kernell of 64 Studio 3.0 to have a nicer desktop.

Update

  • t_sysimetsa
  • 06/13/08
  • Mon, 05/18/2009 - 09:01
Thanks for comments! I removed the 'people-repo' and added a couple of screenshots of my installation here and here. More screenshots at Mint's page.

Nice 2

  • Quentin Harley
  • 05/24/07
  • Sun, 05/17/2009 - 20:43
I changed the how-to. Thanks Pablo for pointing that out again. Do you mind posing some screen shots of your mint 64-studio? One of our release tasks for 3.0 is to remove Ubuntu trademarks, and we could take some pointers from the mint team. Thanks, Quentin

Nice!

  • Pablo
  • 07/11/07
  • Sun, 05/17/2009 - 20:04
Hi Tapani, Nice post in your blog, no? Just a note, as far as I know, the "people.64studio.com" repository is deprecated. See Dave's note in: http://www.64studio.com/node/877 (second post) Cheers! Pablo.

Upgrading Ubuntu 8.04 / Linux Mint 5 to 64-Studio 3.0

  • t_sysimetsa
  • 06/13/08
  • Sat, 05/23/2009 - 07:45
Here is an experimental How-To based on my experiences with upgrading Linux Mint to 64-Studio. Any feedback is appreciated, the tutorial is kind of beta-version...