The state of 64studio - Abandon-ware?

  • kernel_geek
Posted: Tue, 06/15/2010 - 21:24
64studio 4.0 is meant to be released in 6 weeks, and v3 is 7 months late. 64studio had lots of opportunity to be a great distro, but its getting to the state where the software is so out of date, that it is becoming difficult to use. I recommend people use ubuntu-studio, which I have recently installed, and have had much success with. Is development going to pick up again ? Or is that is for 64studio ? =/ Thanks, Chris.

Keep going Dan & 64studio team!

  • jaywilson
  • 06/02/07
  • Wed, 08/17/2011 - 13:14
As I mentioned before I'm getting by quietly on another AV distro for the time being and it does it's job but it's not as finished as 64studio, glad to hear that you're continuing the work behind the closed doors.

So now it's not the two weeks, it's the two months...lol

  • DavidEF
  • 09/24/10
  • Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:21
Still waiting to see if this site ever materializes a new release. I'm wondering what happened to Quentin Harley's assurance that Daniel was committed to releasing in "two months, no matter what", which would have been a few months ago by now. Does anybody have a new date for us?

4.0-beta1

  • Daniel
  • 05/22/07
  • Mon, 08/08/2011 - 10:12
Hi David, a very low-key release was made earlier in the year (4.0-beta1) to coincide with my talk about OpenDAW at the Linux Audio Conference (you may find the video interesting: http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2011/video.php?id=7) You can find the beta1 iso here: http://pdk.64studio.com/projects/opendaw/squeeze/images/ We did not make a wider announcement because the 4.0-beta1 iso is not ready for end users to try - it has some bugs with grub installation, for instance. These bugs will be fixed as part of the work on our next Squeeze-based commercial product. At that point, we hope to rekindle the interest of the community in this platform. Cheers! Daniel

Waiting and waiting happily

  • jaywilson
  • 06/02/07
  • Tue, 03/15/2011 - 11:23
Hi Mick 'n' all, We are all just stuck in the queue, so let's just be patient. No point distro-bashing, the saddest web-page I've seen so far is here http://www.jacklab.org/Website/jacklab.org.html and if it's closed by the time you get there I'll quote, "Jacklab has closed. No JAD 3.0, no forum, no cry... I'm running out of money... I have no time." Yes, we can joke around while stuck queueing but let's appreciate we have something really worth waiting for and some people behind some doors doing something about it. In the meantime, here are your googlefight results 64studio v4 ...263 results four horsemen of the apocalypse ...48,600 results asteroid strike ...92,700 results yellowstone eruption ...46,700 results Betelgeuse supernova ...16,800 results LHC black hole ...24,100 results Draw your own conclusions, but I don't think graphics are supported in this thread.

alpha

  • Quentin Harley
  • 05/24/07
  • Mon, 03/14/2011 - 21:09
Hi Mick Nice to see you around here again... I have finally found out what the delay for the official release is, and it does not have any thing to do with the software itself. Daniel said that the next release will be with us within the next two months, no matter what. For me, this is good news, because i am tired of having to hack together my system to get something resembling the stability of my old 64 Studio, with the packages current enough to compile my ardour 3 from SVN all the time. Regarding your comments of open source community... the team is active in the upstream Debian packaging program, and chances are that you are using software that they packaged in your shining new DAW distros anyway... In other words, others might be getting the praise for slapping together those packages and calling it a distro. So, Have a nice day, and thanks for the time you tested the very stable free linux distro, and for all the hours of pleasure it gave you while you did. And do check in during the next few months... there might be a release notification on the front page or something. Enjoy, Quentin

Why yes...yes we do

  • mick.ca
  • 05/23/07
  • Fri, 03/11/2011 - 18:48
Why yes we do check back...and it's becoming more and more apparent that this entire community were test subjects to a greater purpose! See we tested, used and gave feedback for several years so that the developers could tweak and fix (without any help from the flock) so that they (the lone two or three) could reap the benefits of a commercial release in which THEY profit from!!! NOT US [though we benefited from a superior OS for a few years and then it all but died]... Just like Microsoft did to their testers back when it was "whistler and blackcomb"...we tested the shit out of the OS just be be stuck with BETA or RC releases and either we pirated or bought in order to get the "REAL" release... do you think these guys with supply the faithful with a free copy of their commercial release with hearty "thanks for the input"...phew! continue holding your breath! We've learned a lot from Microsoft haven't we! AND TO QUOTE angelsguitar "Sadly, 64studio's approach to this project does not reflect the true spirit of an open source community right now..." ALSO angelsguitar i believe suggested TANGO STUDIO ...thanks!! it rocks & fastly becoming a permanent fixture on my PC...No pulse...strictly ALSA and TONS of addons that make recording and multimedia SO much easier!! The kernel is solid and fast plus interacts well with video drivers like Nvidia!!

couple week

  • Quentin Harley
  • 05/24/07
  • Wed, 03/02/2011 - 15:45
... Uhm ... and we still check back here every now and again ;-) Hope is a funny thing!

These delays should be resolved in a couple of weeks time.

  • youki
  • 12/29/07
  • Thu, 02/24/2011 - 16:18
Really???

distrowatch ranking behaviour :-)

  • jaywilson
  • 06/02/07
  • Mon, 02/21/2011 - 13:00
Being such an internet citizen I was wondering why the distrowatch top hundred rank of 64studio stayed between 65-70 during all the months of waiting since 2.1 released in 2007/8/ (?) Then today I found that 64studio had vanished altogether! Something's bound to happen soon, I'm sure version four will arrive before the four horseman of the apocalypse. Let's check what googlefight says... site is borken.

Quentin was right!

  • Ryan J.
  • 01/22/09
  • Fri, 02/18/2011 - 17:19
my unicorn did arrive first! ......couple of weeks=maybe in our lifetime.....

Thankyou Daniel

  • jaywilson
  • 06/02/07
  • Mon, 02/14/2011 - 10:36
I'm expecting a very media-wise announcement, having read your more than excellent 'Crafting digital media' book...

Communication :-)

  • Daniel
  • 05/22/07
  • Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:50
Hi guys, I do understand the frustration, it's been a long time since 64 Studio put out a stable release to the community. It's taken a lot of tweaking over the last six years to get our business model right, and I'm glad to report that we've made some great progress on that model in the last few months. Personally speaking, I was never happy with the quality of the Ubuntu-based releases that we made in the 3.x series, which was a major reason why they were never released as 'stable' (although many people used them daily). For the 4.0 release series we have gone back to official Debian, actually a snapshot of Squeeze. We have a 4.0 alpha iso image ready for testing, but some delays on the commercial side have meant that we have been unable to release it yet. These delays should be resolved in a couple of weeks time. Cheers! Daniel

Ship jump

  • Quentin Harley
  • 05/24/07
  • Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:19
Yes, I believe most of the original free users have found other solution, and for the time being, so have I. The development team have however met their goal... they are actually getting paid for their work. Not like before, when all of us just freeloaded off them. Have a nice chuckle, but know this... When the new one comes, I for one will move to it. Stability in your studio is not something optional. Cheers, Q

Stability

  • totalchaos
  • 05/29/09
  • Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:02
Yes you got that right. The stability is worth waiting. I am sick of studio systems crashing after each update and letting you down in the moment when you least expected. Тhere is NO worthy successor of 64studio 2.1 up to date when it comes to stability. Correct me if i'm wrong

i wonder how many have jumped ship for good?

  • mick.ca
  • 05/23/07
  • Thu, 01/06/2011 - 18:36
Even if it does [thats a BIG if] get released who wants to wait ANOTHER three years for an update? SO lets laugh with a little song. " three years later and nuthin dun... sittin here waiting ain't very fun" [come on everyone, sing along...] " promises promises have been made... hey! but wait a minute just more delays!!" "no news, no news i figured that.... people puttin on their hiking caps" "packin up shop and headin on.... its best you too be getting along" [sigh] ...... one word -unbelievable- Well I'll stop by again in a couple of months for a good chuckle...

Squeeze, coming soon...

  • Quentin Harley
  • 05/24/07
  • Thu, 12/23/2010 - 19:18
Your dream is not far from being realized...

How about Debian Squeeze??

  • totalchaos
  • 05/29/09
  • Mon, 11/01/2010 - 13:04
Debian Squeeze Beta1 was released on 30.10.2010, so i thought what do i need to make solid-rock stable studio OS : Realtime/Lowlatency linux kernel and some custom audio related packages put onto Debian distro. And than i remembered that a long time ago there was a Debian distro (called "Etch") with custom realime (multimedia) kernel and custom audio related packages and the people called it "64 Studio". How i wish the history to repeat itself. "You may say i'm a dreamer, but i'm not the only one" -John Lennon

Some people give up too easily

  • jaywilson
  • 06/02/07
  • Thu, 10/28/2010 - 14:54
I'm still waiting :-)

Bye for now!

  • angelsguitar
  • 12/22/07
  • Sun, 10/24/2010 - 16:22
Well, for the time being, I must choose a different route too, although with a lot of frustration. 64 Studio used to be my main recording and performing tool, but not anymore. I held this team on high esteem, but right now I can't recommend this project to anyone - not in this state. Even if a new version comes out tomorrow, what guarantee do we have that it's going to be updated regularly and not left forgotten because of some mystery project? I understand that developers have to eat, but a little communication wouldn't hurt anyone's wallet. Sadly, 64studio's approach to this project does not reflect the true spirit of an open source community right now... I too wish you guys the best, a thanks for the wonderful ride - while it lasted! (Mmm...maybe I'll hop in again in the future, if things change...maybe...but not today) P.D. - I recently grabbed a copy of Daniel's book on Amazon - very nice work!

Oehhhhh then it must be 11-11-11

  • Takabuntu
  • 08/20/07
  • Sun, 10/24/2010 - 12:44
or 12-12-12, but then what... after that we're out of lucky release day numbers. Hmm, maybe 11-12-13 and the exact day even depends on where you live. But hey, whatever keeps your hope alive that a new release is coming. Quentin definitely thinks somethings coming, but I have chosen a different route for now. I wish you guys the best of luck, because I realize that open source is often a labor of love/time/passion/conviction and not so much a source of income. I appreciate your effort to create and maintain an open source distribution for Linux for musicians in the ever and fast changing times of technology.

oo look, a lucky release date in two days time

  • jaywilson
  • 06/02/07
  • Fri, 10/08/2010 - 15:01
I think it will be ready on 10-10-10

Because...

  • Quentin Harley
  • 05/24/07
  • Fri, 10/08/2010 - 09:38
..because Daniel promised not to tell, and I respect his choices. Going to be cool though! PS: Like Transmission, but not like Transmission at all!

Well, my guess is that it

  • angelsguitar
  • 12/22/07
  • Wed, 10/06/2010 - 18:26
Well, my guess is that it would be something similar to this: http://indamixx.com/shop-353.html But, why the silence? Why the mystery?

Unicorn...

  • Quentin Harley
  • 05/24/07
  • Fri, 08/20/2010 - 04:44
No, it think your unicorn will arrive long before ;-) ( I keep checking every other day myself...)

So it....

  • Ryan J.
  • 01/22/09
  • Wed, 08/18/2010 - 18:54
should arrive around the same time as my UNICORN!!! why do I continue to check back.....damn inquiring mind, that's why!!!!! Best, Ryan

Next thing

  • Quentin Harley
  • 05/24/07
  • Mon, 08/16/2010 - 20:29
The next thing will be worth it... almost guaranteed! I cannot wait for it myself. It will be a lot the same as what you have come to expect from 64 Studio, with a couple of exceptional differences. Wish I could say more...

So I'm waiting but I don't know what for

  • jaywilson
  • 06/02/07
  • Mon, 08/16/2010 - 13:30
Just to let you know I look every week to see what's going on. 64studio v2.1 did not disappoint and I'm sure the next thing won't either!

Hi There

  • Quentin Harley
  • 05/24/07
  • Sun, 08/01/2010 - 16:00
Mick, nice of you to stop by. As I said before, you are welcome to use whatever you want to use. This is free software (as in speech) and there are lots of choices out there. You are right. It is possible to build a distro in weeks or months, but what is happening in the background here this time is quite a bit bigger than just another studio distro... You'll see what I mean when it makes landfall. Cheers, Quentin

Well, perhaps what makes

  • angelsguitar
  • 12/22/07
  • Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:09
Well, perhaps what makes people complaint more about the state of 64 Studio really is not the release schedule, but rather the lack of communication. I mean, we all would like 64 Studio team to stick to the schedule - who doesn't. However, other distros that don't stick to the schedule have survived for years, and still are well respected for their work. Take, for example, Debian. If there's a distro which is always behind schedule, it is Debian. However, Debian is still respected as one of the most stable distros out there. I sincerely believe that, what is sinking 64 Studio is the lack of clear communication with the community. I know there's activity on the OEM side, but no one has stepped up-front and informed the community about what is happening, what to expect (or what not to expect). I hope this is not taken as an attack, but rather a suggestion. My respects to the 64 Studio team; you work through these years has been awesome. Just don't let a small mistake ruin the hard earned fame you've built as a powerful multimedia distro.

Titanic 64! Jump ship and survive

  • mick.ca
  • 05/23/07
  • Wed, 07/28/2010 - 11:20
i stopped by again to see and as it was back in Sept of LAST YEAR, there is no update, no word of progress and the flock is moving on. good. A well maintained distro gives their people updates and progress reports. Getting that from this camp is like pulling a bad tooth from a Lion..good luck! Kernel Geek has the right direction going, The Ubuntu minimal to Studio approach is what i ended up doing last year and have a GREAT pulse free system with everything i need. Although I installed Ubuntu Studio and removed Pulse afterwards and went with a extremely stable "low-latency" kernel that plays nicely with Ardour and FL Studio 9. Yes FL Studio 9.0 running flawlessly on Ubuntu!! I tried pure:dyne, KX-studio and others but ended up with a hybrid Ubu-Stu system that just works great. if you are interested in FL Studio on Linux then go here and it works...just plain works. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1260057 Whatever you end up doing, rest to sure that IF and when this new release makes it to the Internet, i place bets on the fact that it will [1] lack the luster that it is building you up to believe [2] it won't be worth your wait [3] it will be another 2 or 3 years for the next update. that's why a development TEAM makes better progress than a couple of guys who have lives, jobs and motives other than maintaining their distro. If Kernel Geek can do it in a matter of weeks or a month than there's no excuse for these guys.

IRC

  • holstein
  • 03/03/10
  • Mon, 07/12/2010 - 06:04
i spoke with a freenode staffer, and apparently someone from the 64studio team can go to http://freenode.net/group_registration_form.php and request a replacement group registration form to regain control of the IRC channel #64studio... good luck guys, and thanks again... mh

Ubuntu Minimal studio preparation

  • t_sysimetsa
  • 06/13/08
  • Sat, 07/10/2010 - 08:51
Hello, thanks to these great Ubuntu PPA repositories, it's also quite easy to build a stable, 64Studio-like system on Ubuntu Minimal 10.04 LTS with a good rt-kernel and up-to-date audio applications. Couple of screenshots here and here. I wrote a how-to here. Please leave a comment there if you find ways to improve the how-to! Greetings, Tapani

Sick and tired of the

  • kernel_geek
  • 12/24/09
  • Thu, 07/08/2010 - 17:59
Sick and tired of the delayed deadlines, and tumble weed ? :p Im forking 64studio to a project called 65studio. Similar sort of deal, just more upto-date. Go check it out! :) https://sourceforge.net/projects/sixtyfivestudio/ Cheers, Chris.

LTS?

  • MadDuk
  • 08/17/07
  • Wed, 07/07/2010 - 14:43
I can see some confusion after moving 64studio to ubuntu's platform. I am sure you guys were waiting for the LTS version (3 months ago) to avoid having to keep up with the constant updating. I would like to see something that will be relevant for at least a few years. I am not unhappy with what I have now (beta 3.0) and will be patient for something that will have longevity.

Roadmap

  • Takabuntu
  • 08/20/07
  • Tue, 07/06/2010 - 17:32
The roadmap of 64studio doesn't make sense to me at all. Version 3 is 7 months late and version 4 is due in a few weeks and still has all tickets open? Why is there not more communication going on? I surely hope this open sure project will not turn into an open end project... I mean I can totally understand that one would turn to projects that actually make money instead of working on a project that people are not paying anything for (like Paul of Ardour).

recent news mentioning 64studio

  • holstein
  • 03/03/10
  • Tue, 07/06/2010 - 16:39
http://opensource.com/life/10/6/rock-n-roll-instant-messaging-creative-commons AGAIN, i can only imagine the challenges of maintaining a project like 64studio... i just hope somebody says something soon... mh

64Studio is not dead..

  • porisija
  • 09/29/07
  • Thu, 07/01/2010 - 17:59
.. there just seems to be a lot of OEM activity. Which in my opinion is good for Linux to make way into the multimedia software market. Ardour has a fork in Harrison Mixbus, but unfortunately it's not sold as a Linux version, Mac PPC only (which is by the way soon obsolete architecture..). I for one wouldn't mind paying 80 dollars for a DAW and studio grade plug-ins that Harrison is famous for. Compare that to the price of ProTools.. Software developers have to live too. But I just don't have the extra money now, even I have to feed the kids. So I'll just make do with my old boxes that get the breath of life through Linux - and what a life! The Latest whizz-bang software isn't always the one that "gets the job done". Unless you upgrade your hardware on a six month basis, 64Studio will do just fine. Why not learn to compile from source and get a taste of what the developers are doing all the time?

I sure hope this is not the

  • angelsguitar
  • 12/22/07
  • Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:47
I sure hope this is not the end of 64studio. It is a great distro. @ Sparx: You can check out KX Studio. It is based on Kubuntu 10.04 but with updated multimedia packages, custom configuration and some of Alesio Igor Bogani's kernels. Curiously, jackd is run as a system service at startup, which seems to be working great and takes care of most of PulseAudio's annoyances (the author routes PulseAudio's output into jack)

how about a post

  • holstein
  • 03/03/10
  • Thu, 06/24/2010 - 00:33
for those of us who are interested in the project, ANY news would be appreciated... all i can go on is what i see... which is a dead IRC channel, missed deadlines, and no news... i think i can speak for quite a few users when i say we all appreciate the efforts of the devs, but an official report is due... mh

I did find this

  • Sparx
  • 05/22/10
  • Wed, 06/23/2010 - 11:52
http://www.linux-sound.org/ little out of date but points in the right directrion

The State

  • Sparx
  • 05/22/10
  • Wed, 06/23/2010 - 11:45
I have been wondering the same thing as the rest, well I will continue to use it along with my other flavors of Linux for my audio production, I use 64 Studio, Ubuntu-Studio, and AV Linux I am mainly into the audio production aspect of things but if you have not tried AV Linux do so I love that distro, they just released 4.0 Black n' Blue" Edition very nice ohh, I also use LMMS - Linux Multi-Media Studio. Well if any of you want to discuss Linux and the audio production distros I am always interested in any tips tricks and others points of view PM.. and if you know of any other Audio Linux distros I have not mentioned, would love to hear about it ~Sparx~

Well I'm gonna fork it and

  • kernel_geek
  • 12/24/09
  • Fri, 06/18/2010 - 20:47
Well I'm gonna fork it and start development of my own then! :)

Fork

  • Quentin Harley
  • 05/24/07
  • Fri, 06/18/2010 - 22:57
Going back to Debian, or stay with Ubuntu Debianish...

Development

  • Quentin Harley
  • 05/24/07
  • Wed, 06/16/2010 - 21:48
Hi kernel_geek I only pop every now and again to see if anything is happening... So far it has been a bit quiet from the development team. I know there are a few important projects on the go in the OEM front, that still cannot be discussed quite yet ;-) Use whatever tools you need to get the job you need done, done, for the time being at least. 64studio is not dead...