Tempted to switch from Ubuntu Studio to 64Studio

  • Takabuntu
Posted: Tue, 08/21/2007 - 20:26
I switched from Windows to LINUX about a year ago through trying an Ubuntu distro and have been an Ubuntu user since. Having tried the original Ubuntu I tried Kubuntu for a while and actually liked it better, it was somehow more responsive. But after the long awaited Ubuntu Studio came out I switched to this flavor. I was not really that impressed and have to admit that this version of Ubuntu does not seem to run as smoothly as I was used to. It did not include the most recent Rosegarden version (it has 1.4.0 instead of 1.5.1), I tried to get LinuxSampler to work and failed (yes I tried to compile, etc, etc). I have also tried Sabayon, Arch, Yoper, Musix, Studio2go, but have so far always returned to Ubuntu. I also have been following the Jacklab distro, but they somehow take their time (I tried a beta 1.0 version and failed...yikes). Although I am a experienced computer user (I write software for a living), my desire is to use Linux for creating music and not spending hours of tweaking and fiddling and trying to get stuff to work (I have been there and done that, so to say). Although I do not really have the desire to switch distros again, I must say that 64studio caught my attention even though I do not have an AMD64 setup. Through Ubuntu I have been getting used to Debian and really started to like this base and having read much positive responses I wanted to check in and say hello and ask some questions. I have been using the fluidsynth as a soundfont player to create ambient/classical (strings/pads/etc) sounding backing tracks to use live in a looping device when I play acoustic guitar. While I am not a 'real' piano player I have been using Rosegarden to sequence MIDI tracks. I wanted to try LinuxSampler too because I expected better results, but had no change yet to try that yet. Also I found the effects that are available not fun work with because of the interface and the lack of presets. I had put my hopes in VST plugins through asio-wine for some time, but while there is a lot of fiddling/compiling involved I have given up a bit on effects in Linux altogether. I did also find no way to make good sounding loops. FruityLoops (Windows) has an simple export function where you can select to wrap-around the tail end of the effects used and voila, a perfect loop, but this still seems difficult to do under Linux as far as I have seen. My brother-in-law if trying to convince to switch to Apple, but I am still hesitant, because I do believe in the concepts of open-source and Linux in general as a better alternative. So the main question is: with the setup below would I gain anything by switching to 64studio instead of UbuntuStudio? And I really would appreciate feedback on the stuff I have written above. HP Vectra VL420 PVI - 1.8GHz, 768MB 133MHz memory, 300GB 7200RPM HD, ASUS N6200 - 128MB AGP Terratec SixPack+ (CS46xx chipset) Thanks & good luck,

64 Studio 3.0 beta 3 is based on Ubuntu

  • Bucky.Duster
  • 05/27/09
  • Mon, 06/08/2009 - 12:08
Hi folks, I'm newly getting into LINUX (started playing with Red Hat 10 years ago, now use Fedora daily). I'm planning to help the 64 Studio project in terms of developing support for the MOTU 8Pre digitizer. Pursuant to that end, I put together an old PC from my bone pile to use as a Firewire bus sniffer (per direction from Jonathan Woithe). I decided to use 64 Studio (i386 version) as the OS for the sniffer box. I found that the 2.0 and 2.1 installation ISO's (both native Debian) failed to install. They both crapped out during the application software installation part, and 2.1 wouldn't even install GRUB. Then as a matter of being exhaustively thorough, I tried 64 Studio 3.0 beta 3, which installed completely. Playing around with it I came to realize that it is based on Ubuntu, therefore you no longer have to choose between 64 Studio and Ubuntu, it's the "same" thing. Rock on! ~{:o)

Considering a switch too

  • angelsguitar
  • 12/22/07
  • Sat, 12/22/2007 - 10:32
Hi. I'm an Ubuntu user, but considering to switch to 64studio due to some performance problems (Xruns with jack no matter what I do, the annoying "Gnome settings error at startup when I run the realtime kernel). Ubuntu (including Ubuntu Studio) is a nice distro in general, but I don't feel it is optimized enough to record audio, so I'm looking for options. I remember I installed 64 studio (the 64bit version) on my computer, but had problems with my video card (I believe it didn't detect it correctly), which is an ATI Radeon 7000. I've heard of problems with ATI cards in general. Is there a way to make this card work? Does the 32 bit 64studio has this problem too? Also I use wine for some applications. I know is possible to install wine on 64bit, but does it install and run without problems in 64studio (64bit)? Thanks in advance for the help.

StudioToGo, UbuntuStudio, Musix, JackLab - Now I'm Here...

  • guitard00d
  • 10/15/07
  • Tue, 10/30/2007 - 06:21
The company that I co-owned up until February/2006 actually purchased StudioToGo, and it was (to say the least) a disaster and a complete waste of money. I actually had to prove to them that they didn't even have ext3 support compiled into their kernel when they insisted that it did. Uh, okay, then please tell me why fsck runs every time the system randomly rebooted. They insisted that it was my computer and I insisted on seeing their kernel make file. After a month or so, they admitted they built their kernel wrong, and issued a ton of patches (.deb files or tarballs that you had to extract and manually put the files in the proper places). Don't waste your money on StudioToGo, those guys may know how to write a decent program like Rosegarden, but they can't build a Linux distro to save their lives. As for the rest of the distros listed in the subject line, I tried them all. Although, JackLab looked very promising and they paint a really nice picture of it on their web site (and say how much better it is compared to the others I mentioned) that thing can't even properly install Grub on a dual-booting machine - no matter what the other OS happens to be. Oddly enough, 64 Studio worked for me right out of the box without any problems. Well, one minor problem, I had to borrow a DVD burner to install it because my DVD-ROM drives wouldn't boot the install DVD (but they'd boot a bootable CD just fine, go figure). In regards to MediaStation...That I would pay for because it's an all-in-one hardware and software solution in one box. If it was just the software alone, I don't know if I could justify it. But when they're selling complete music workstations, then I would say it's worth it. Hell, my Alesis QuadraSynth 6.2 wouldn't work without it's embedded OS, the MediaStation is the same way. They're just using something better than Alesis used and something that's supported by more than just the people in their factory.

64Studio, Ubuntustudio... and back again

  • tinivole
  • 08/22/07
  • Thu, 09/20/2007 - 03:20
Hi all. In my experience 64Studio is the route to go down. In simple terms, its a system built just to work and work with the devices connected to it. Ubuntu, though all fairness to it, is also a brilliant system on the generic side. UbuntuStudio on the other hand is somewhat a disaster. First attempt at switching. Despite the image being around 860MB in size, my iso burning tool aways asks to put in a CD. If I override the burners commands and burn to DVD anyway, on boot, the UbuntuStudio installer asks to insert the "correct" UbuntuStudio "CD" before contining... The second way I tried to install UbuntuStudio was to Install the Ubuntu core system, then simply "Upgrade" it to the Studio (This can be found as a "ubuntustudio-upgrade-feisty.sh" file in the ubuntu forums. This again was another blow to the system, as Upgrading is worse than installing a new Service Pack for Windows. (ie: There's a 1 in 10 chance of complete failure, and a 7 in 10 chance of success, but with failures hidden underneath the skin). Though, without going into too much detail, the bottom line is, it just doesn't pick up and sort out any of my equipment to have a system that's seamlessly usable. My next stop was OpenSUSE's JackLab 1.0 This was promising, with the includes *working* VST support through wineASIO. Though usage was deterrent, at first attempt to use it, I find that it has kindly split my audio network into three sections. AUDIO, ALSA, MIDI alsa_pcm in and out being in AUDIO. Midi Through and all softsynth inputs in ALSA M-Audio Midi UNO under MIDI In short, meaning that it is quite literally impossible to connect my MIDI keyboard to softsynths for use. By this point it had been a week without 64Studio, and to be honest, I forgot the reason why I was tempted to leave in the first place. 64Studio just works the way I want, I know where everything is and I know when to stop pushing it. For me, 64Studio is the ultimate Linux Human-Computer Studio interaction OS freely availiable on the internet. The only two REAL contenders are MediaStation and StudioToGo... But are we really prepared to pay for Linux just yet??? Iain

I switched...and am very happy!!!

  • Takabuntu
  • 08/20/07
  • Sun, 09/09/2007 - 12:57
I had some time this week and decided to make the switch. After an update Gnome did not start after booting UbuntuStudio with the low latency kernel so that gave me a good excuse to switch, right? And needless to say: I am very glad that I did:. Installing the system is a breeze, no hardware detection errors and it runs like a train, while on UbuntuStudio my system behaved kind of... clumsy. So thank you very much for bringing me such a nice tool to experiment with music!!!

Actually I have two music

  • stanlea
  • 08/21/07
  • Sat, 09/01/2007 - 20:19
Actually I have two music systems on the same computer : Windows Xp and 64Studio (on separate hard disks). I think that I will keep them some time. I'm impressed by the real stability of 64studio, the quality of sounds. The DDSI synths are really fine, Ardour rocks, Jack is a really good concept. But I have to become more familiar with this system to think I could quit XP, for I've many projects and a lot of wonderful apps and vst's working very well. In 64studio, I just would like to have more apps compiling and working. It's a very good basis, but we have to wait to get more and more apps working on this system (because of the 64 bit features, I think). Now let's play loud and heavy !

With your PC it would work

  • flatko
  • 06/11/07
  • Sat, 09/01/2007 - 16:22
With your PC it would work just fine. Mine is: CPU sempron 2500+ 1.4GHz MB ASUS k8n RAM 512 MB HDD hitachi deskstar 160 GB VGA nvidia geforce 5200 sound is realtek - onboard!! and it runs just fine. no xruns at all, even with switching desktops until playing in ardour. in ubuntu studio i had xruns very often.

Try it out

  • Quentin Harley
  • 05/24/07
  • Wed, 08/22/2007 - 06:13
Download the live CD version and try it. It will be a "light" version of 64studio, but at least you can take the kernel and some of the essential apps out for a spin. Note that the install DVD will work better, because it is then installed to your system, with all the optimizations that goes with that. Cheers,

64 Studio vs Ubuntu Studio

  • saghaulor
  • 08/06/07
  • Tue, 08/21/2007 - 21:44
I can't answer your question about whether or not your hardware will work with 64 Studio. I can answer this. I have had an overall positive experience thus far with 64 Studio. I gave Ubuntu Studio a shot on an older machine. It seemed to run alright, mind you the machine was very old. There was some configuring do to the old hardware. I installed 64 Studio on my new laptop and it flies. The kernel is highly optimized. There is always going to be some tweaking and what not with Linux, at least until some of the legal field clears up, namely, getting windows codecs to work with your favorite player. Essentially though, once I installed, I had to do little work with 64 Studio. It was ready to go once installed.